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NEWS: Adult Swim Announces Toonami Rewind Block With Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball Z Kai, Naruto Anime

TsarPlatinum wrote:

Because the DIC dub is more iconic and what most Sailor Moon fans in America know and prefer. I bet if this was Pokemon or Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh or Ghost Stories y'all wouldn't be using the changes as a reason it should be forgotten.

Good thing no one was saying this.

Regardless, it sounds like Takeuchi wants nothing to do with the old dub (source) and since everything involving Sailor Moon needs her approval, it's unfortunately never coming back legally.

Too bad because I WOULD be saying the Ghost Stories dub's changes are a reason it should be forgotten.

Say what you want about the Sailor Moon DiC dub at least the licensors didn't go "Oh this show flopped in Japan, which is a lie btw, We can do whatever we want with it!"

I just don't believe that the DiC English dub specifically was this type of evil that had to be destroyed/forgotten.

a bunch of fake 'Toonamis' popped up and died; and I think it was a cross between the wider cultural consciousness moving away from anime and our network having different priorities."

As some others have mentioned, most have seen it on streaming sites like Hulu, the reboot is in Netflix Jail (the movies), so not sure what else is the end goal here but to rely on "nostalgia" from growing up seeing it as a kid (if you grew up with the dub), or have access with the Japanese subtitles when Pioneer released them (or through fansubs).

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As some others have mentioned, most have seen it on streaming sites like Hulu, the reboot is in Netflix Jail (the movies), so not sure what else is the end goal here but to rely on "nostalgia" from growing up seeing it as a kid (if you grew up with the dub), or have access with the Japanese subtitles when Pioneer released them (or through fansubs).

The end goal here is Cartoon Network is severely under funded by WBD and their animation studio is on life support and they need to fill their timeslots with junk besides airing endless reruns of their own original shows and airing a bunch of easily available Viz dubs is cheap. I think people are really overthinking the reasoning and coming up with all these arbitrary rules for what Toonami is "allowed" to show when neither DeMarco or anyone at Adult Swim have stated the goal of Toonami Rewind is to exactly recreate the same viewing experience from 30 years ago. At the end of the day the Viz dub of Sailor Moon is on Toonami because DeMarco wants it on there and it's his block and there are easy alternative ways to find the DiC dub online as easy it is to watch the Viz dub on Hulu.

I think that Toonami Rewind should get the chance to air the Tokyo Mew Mew Power dub as a special premiere because the songs in the dub literally describe and subverts the whole magical girl genre!

I just don't believe that the DiC English dub specifically was this type of evil that had to be destroyed/forgotten.

Have you not already seen it a dozen times? There are thousands of other anime shows out there getting ignored because this company wants to stick to reruns and the viewers just accept that, even cheer it.

I think people are really overthinking the reasoning and coming up with all these arbitrary rules for what Toonami is "allowed" to show when neither DeMarco or anyone at Adult Swim have stated the goal of Toonami Rewind is to exactly recreate the same viewing experience from 30 years ago. At the end of the day the Viz dub of Sailor Moon is on Toonami because DeMarco wants it on there and it's his block and there are easy alternative ways to find the DiC dub online as easy it is to watch the Viz dub on Hulu.

Toonami Rewind will use "classic older Toonami music and some older packaging" that were recreated in HD for an anniversary broadcast.

I just don't believe that the DiC English dub specifically was this type of evil that had to be destroyed/forgotten.

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

TsarPlatinum wrote: Because the DIC dub is more iconic and what most Sailor Moon fans in America know and prefer. I bet if this was Pokemon or Digimon or Yu-Gi-Oh or Ghost Stories y'all wouldn't be using the changes as a reason it should be forgotten. Good thing no one was saying this.

My time to shine, haha

I still give credit to the DiC dub where it's due. It was the closest release to the original version when it was originally marketed as a completely different cartoon in the past. I think the dub fit very well for the audience it was cultivating, and while people still get mad about the "censorship", it's not like censoring anime was exclusive to the US. It's unfortunate, but that is generally the fact of the matter. Sailor Moon isn't anything special when it comes to that aspect of broadcasting, just like DBZ, Gundam, Tenchi Muyo, etc.

On a side note, I didn't like the Viz dub tbh, as one who was actually excited to see it. Not because of the voice cast, but I never really liked the script from the first few seasons, so I stopped watching the dub after R. I did see the movies via Viz and thought the script was a lot better, so I guess it depended on who was writing it. I find the dub cast to be more enjoyable in Crystal as well (with the exception of the movies -- the requirement for the cast to use honorifics made it hard to watch so I just went to the sub instead).

That said, I don't know how successful this block will be. I don't find it as an issue that the Viz dub is released, but unlike some shows, I feel like Sailor Moon has always been kind of an afterthought when it came to the Toonami block in its later years. Not just due to licensing issues, but the Viz dub has been out for years. Dragon Ball Z, Naruto/Boruto, and Gundam have had more exposure under Toonami than Sailor Moon. YashaHime was able to get a premiere on Toonami first -- Sailor Moon wasn't even on the radar.

Additionally, Sailor Moon is the oldest series on this block, and I think that it would have been better that it was added to the block in the earlier days of the show being re-licensed and having a home release. So I feel like it's still kind of gotten terrible treatment (under Toei) even when the reboot was released.

As some others have mentioned, most have seen it on streaming sites like Hulu, the reboot is in Netflix Jail (the movies), so not sure what else is the end goal here but to rely on "nostalgia" from growing up seeing it as a kid (if you grew up with the dub), or have access with the Japanese subtitles when Pioneer released them (or through fansubs).

It won't really be the same experience. Most Toonami shows have been super gritty, so I think Sailor Moon would stick out a bit, and I wonder if it will actually be uncut or still have some editing (like any nudity or transformation). I also think that it's a dated series, full stop. The "monster of the day" aspect was fun back when I was a kid, but I think even now, I prefer Crystal in some ways more than the 90's series itself (And I find the live action series to be 1000% better than Toei's adaptation).

So I hope that the show works out. It's fine that it's embraced under a new generation, but I'm feeling skeptical about how long it can survive on cable tv.

NJ_ wrote:

Regardless, it sounds like Takeuchi wants nothing to do with the old dub (source) and since everything involving Sailor Moon needs her approval, it's unfortunately never coming back legally.

I looked at both sources and I still don't actually see any real quote indicating that Takeuchi disliked the dub at all. I always found it strange that I would see this sentiment, but it mostly came through discussions/speculation. Additionally, I don't really understand why there would be any issue with the dub back then, considering that they allowed R, S, and SuperS to be licensed with most of the same legacy cast. It could've very much been changed back then too.

Anyway, allowing her to approve the dub cast doesn't seem to be out of place since it has happened historically with other anime projects. Additionally, a new Japanese VO cast was in the process for the reboot as well. With the exception of Mitsuishi Kotono, the original cast of the 90's anime were all replaced by younger actors. I think the idea was to get younger, fresh talent, and to give the original series a proper release. Also, to promote Sailor Moon Crystal later on, since most of this happened within the same year, if I'm not mistaken.

I will eat crow if there's a translation of her explicitly stating the re-cast was directly because "old dub bad", but nah. I think it was ultimately just business, with some strings being pulled to get to highest bidder and a new dub was going to happen regardless. I just don't believe that the DiC English dub specifically was this type of evil that had to be destroyed/forgotten.

I guess this is why this will only be aired once a week because it sounds rather experimental.
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TLDR: I don't think Takeuchi "hated the original dub" as much as people say, and I'll die on that hill, lol. I do think adding Sailor Moon to Toonami now is surprising and should've happened years ago, but due to it being a 30 year old "magical girl" series, not sure how it will survive as it's not as action packed as it's other shows regardless of which dub was released (but I think the old dub is more "action" ish due to it's editing and music choices). Due to its limited programming block schedule it seems like it's a test to see if it will work.

Budgetary reasons aside, I wonder if this is acting as implicit evidence that cable is just aging out of CNs original demo.

Gen Xers like me grew up on this stuff and might literally be the last generation to not have cut the cable at this point. For linear cable programming we might be seeing more and more of this nostalgia bating and less and less investment in new TV programs on linear channels.